1 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:06,905 David scares me. 2 00:00:06,941 --> 00:00:11,010 And I know he likes the fact that he scares me. 3 00:00:11,078 --> 00:00:13,212 When I think of David, I think of hate, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,681 and he definitely hated me, and there's nobody that ever 5 00:00:15,750 --> 00:00:17,182 convinced me differently. 6 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:19,585 I will always be scared of David as long as he's alive. 7 00:00:22,556 --> 00:00:26,358 I can tell you that I've never met a child as evil as David. 8 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:46,245 What went wrong in this guy's head? 9 00:00:46,313 --> 00:00:48,959 Why is my brother sitting in jail right now 10 00:00:48,983 --> 00:00:51,350 for effectively the rest of his life? 11 00:01:00,494 --> 00:01:03,429 When I look back at David's life now, 12 00:01:03,497 --> 00:01:06,865 David strikes me as just somebody who 13 00:01:06,934 --> 00:01:11,537 was just born into this world angry. 14 00:01:19,447 --> 00:01:21,680 When I first told people that there's something 15 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:23,927 seriously wrong with him, and he needs help, 16 00:01:23,951 --> 00:01:26,251 he's gonna end up killing somebody someday, 17 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,687 some people thought I was crazy. 18 00:01:28,856 --> 00:01:34,193 I feel that I can shed some light on 19 00:01:34,228 --> 00:01:35,961 what David's about. 20 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,373 That is Del in his uniform taken at 21 00:02:21,441 --> 00:02:22,941 the Alliance Police Department. 22 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:24,409 From the looks of it, 23 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:27,424 I would say it's probably... 24 00:02:27,448 --> 00:02:28,680 in the '90s. 25 00:02:30,351 --> 00:02:32,284 The first time I met him, 26 00:02:32,352 --> 00:02:37,656 it was the first week of March in 1978, 27 00:02:37,758 --> 00:02:42,294 and I was starting to work at the court clerk's office. 28 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:44,163 He was extremely charming, 29 00:02:44,231 --> 00:02:46,498 okay, very personable, 30 00:02:46,567 --> 00:02:48,445 had a great smile, 31 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:52,048 and I just found him very attractive. 32 00:02:52,072 --> 00:02:53,405 And then, as I got to know him, 33 00:02:53,473 --> 00:02:56,386 he was a very big romantic. 34 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:58,143 Since we worked in the same building, 35 00:02:58,179 --> 00:03:02,981 he would show up with gifts and flowers frequently. 36 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:06,396 After we've been going out for probably a month, 37 00:03:06,420 --> 00:03:09,354 he asked me if I wanted to meet his children. 38 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:18,330 At that time in my life, I was 30 years old. 39 00:03:18,398 --> 00:03:22,712 I had recently been divorced, and I had two small children. 40 00:03:22,736 --> 00:03:25,370 He had been divorced for a couple of years. 41 00:03:25,406 --> 00:03:29,341 His wife had left him and the three kids with him. 42 00:03:31,478 --> 00:03:34,046 Everyone! Come say hello! 43 00:03:37,751 --> 00:03:41,131 We went in, and he introduced me to all of them. 44 00:03:41,155 --> 00:03:44,990 - This is Deborah. - Hello. 45 00:03:45,025 --> 00:03:47,159 Here's a little girl with her hair 46 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,261 all, you know, like, crazy, 47 00:03:49,363 --> 00:03:51,007 like she hadn't combed it in six weeks 48 00:03:51,031 --> 00:03:52,664 and a smile on her face. 49 00:03:52,766 --> 00:03:55,979 - It's very nice to meet you. - Aw. 50 00:03:56,003 --> 00:03:58,503 I definitely felt, oh, poor thing, 51 00:03:58,572 --> 00:03:59,849 she needs a mother. 52 00:03:59,873 --> 00:04:01,451 And this is my eldest, Thom. 53 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:03,887 The first time I met Debbie, 54 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:05,655 there was just something different about her. 55 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:08,992 She took a deep interest in myself and my brother 56 00:04:09,016 --> 00:04:10,727 and sister. 57 00:04:10,751 --> 00:04:13,897 She was fun, funny, 58 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:17,055 and Debbie did not appear to be one 59 00:04:17,124 --> 00:04:19,224 of these other women that my dad had dated. 60 00:04:19,293 --> 00:04:23,695 Debbie was... and is... A very intelligent woman. 61 00:04:23,831 --> 00:04:25,697 And you must be David. 62 00:04:25,899 --> 00:04:27,065 It's really nice to meet you. 63 00:04:28,502 --> 00:04:31,970 David was the next one. He's the middle child. 64 00:04:32,006 --> 00:04:34,172 David. 65 00:04:34,241 --> 00:04:36,208 Deborah is talking to you. 66 00:04:37,911 --> 00:04:39,411 Hello. 67 00:04:39,479 --> 00:04:42,848 The first time I met them, I thought they were very cute, 68 00:04:42,916 --> 00:04:45,951 you know, and they were very friendly, 69 00:04:46,019 --> 00:04:48,353 and they made a good impression on me. 70 00:04:48,422 --> 00:04:51,490 But David Shafer, he is 71 00:04:51,558 --> 00:04:54,192 unlike anybody I've ever met. 72 00:04:54,261 --> 00:04:57,663 I've called him a sociopath for many years. 73 00:04:59,033 --> 00:05:00,432 Something is wrong with him. 74 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:21,097 We dated probably a year before I moved in. 75 00:05:21,121 --> 00:05:24,289 I noticed that David wasn't like the rest of the kids. 76 00:05:24,325 --> 00:05:27,326 The thing that really stuck out to me 77 00:05:27,394 --> 00:05:31,663 with David was you couldn't believe anything he said. 78 00:05:31,798 --> 00:05:34,900 When Debbie moved in, now you have to follow rules. 79 00:05:34,968 --> 00:05:38,081 You come home from school, you do your chores, 80 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:41,418 you do your homework, you study for an hour. 81 00:05:41,442 --> 00:05:46,890 And David did not take to that very well. 82 00:05:46,914 --> 00:05:48,580 There were problems. 83 00:05:48,615 --> 00:05:51,416 David, what are you doing? 84 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:54,920 Watching TV. 85 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,322 If you ask him, "Did you do your homework?" 86 00:05:57,391 --> 00:05:59,024 He would say, "I did it already." 87 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:01,426 "Oh, really? 88 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:04,162 Yeah, okay. Bring it to me." 89 00:06:05,065 --> 00:06:06,309 "Well, I'll do that after dinner." 90 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:07,610 I said, "No, you can do it right now." 91 00:06:07,634 --> 00:06:10,202 Go get it. I want to see it. 92 00:06:16,543 --> 00:06:19,478 And he brought it down, and obviously no homework, 93 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:21,580 and he lied to me. 94 00:06:21,648 --> 00:06:23,081 He never even touched it. 95 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:25,250 What is this? 96 00:06:25,318 --> 00:06:28,220 He would stare at me like he didn't even see me there. 97 00:06:28,255 --> 00:06:30,088 He was just looking straight through me, 98 00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:32,524 and it made me feel uncomfortable. 99 00:06:32,592 --> 00:06:34,459 You told me this was finished. 100 00:06:35,596 --> 00:06:37,396 It was almost an eerie feeling. 101 00:06:37,464 --> 00:06:39,030 Sometimes goosebumps 102 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:41,433 like I'm having right now, just talking about it. 103 00:06:41,468 --> 00:06:44,669 To me, it looked like he was, in his mind, was saying, 104 00:06:44,771 --> 00:06:47,117 "I don't care what you say. I don't care what you think. 105 00:06:47,141 --> 00:06:49,174 I'm gonna do what I want." 106 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:51,788 Well, you're just gonna have to finish it now. 107 00:06:51,812 --> 00:06:52,944 Nah. 108 00:06:54,281 --> 00:06:56,226 And I said, "Well, you go to your room and finish it." 109 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,495 So he walked outside and went out to play. 110 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,030 David, you know the rules. 111 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:03,989 I said, "No." 112 00:07:05,626 --> 00:07:06,535 He would do anything 113 00:07:06,559 --> 00:07:09,294 but what he was told to do, period. 114 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:18,148 I had to take into consideration that their mother 115 00:07:18,172 --> 00:07:19,871 had left them, and I thought 116 00:07:19,907 --> 00:07:23,508 David might be projecting his anger towards his mother, 117 00:07:23,577 --> 00:07:27,212 who had left, onto me. 118 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:28,880 But these other two kids went through 119 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:31,316 the same thing he did, and they're not doing it. 120 00:07:31,384 --> 00:07:35,187 It was obviously a sign that something was wrong. 121 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:37,400 David was going to do what he wanted to do. 122 00:07:37,424 --> 00:07:39,958 He wasn't gonna let some new woman 123 00:07:40,026 --> 00:07:43,228 just stroll in there and start giving orders. 124 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:44,463 He wasn't gonna have it. 125 00:07:53,006 --> 00:07:57,409 He was a loner and a troublemaker. 126 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,144 Seemed like the only time he was happy was 127 00:07:59,246 --> 00:08:00,190 when he was tormenting somebody 128 00:08:00,214 --> 00:08:03,248 or lying or manipulating. 129 00:08:03,317 --> 00:08:05,951 Take, for instance, we had a pet pig. 130 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:09,187 When he got big enough, we were gonna butcher it. 131 00:08:09,256 --> 00:08:11,968 One of the kids loved the pig. 132 00:08:11,992 --> 00:08:15,994 So we didn't tell her... We told her Mr. Pig went away. 133 00:08:17,097 --> 00:08:20,665 One night, we sat down, and we're having pork chops. 134 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:25,470 When he was thinking something to do to hurt somebody, 135 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:28,573 you could tell in the eyes, they almost have a sparkle in them. 136 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:32,310 She went to take a bite of this pork chop. 137 00:08:32,379 --> 00:08:34,379 He smiled. 138 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:36,214 I thought, "Oh, no." 139 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:38,984 And then he blurted it out before I could say anything. 140 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:41,620 You want to know what you're really eating? 141 00:08:42,923 --> 00:08:44,534 He just looked at her and laughed and said, 142 00:08:44,558 --> 00:08:46,558 "You're eating Mr. Piggy." 143 00:08:46,626 --> 00:08:48,093 And she said, "No, I'm not." 144 00:08:48,128 --> 00:08:49,327 That's not true! 145 00:08:49,396 --> 00:08:52,097 He said, "Oh, yes, you are." 146 00:08:52,132 --> 00:08:53,965 And, of course, Del and I couldn't deny it. 147 00:08:54,001 --> 00:08:55,267 David. 148 00:08:56,904 --> 00:09:00,305 She was maybe seven years old at the time, 149 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:03,275 and she was devastated that this pig got butchered. 150 00:09:03,343 --> 00:09:06,422 She left the table crying, 151 00:09:06,446 --> 00:09:08,179 and he thought that was so funny. 152 00:09:10,817 --> 00:09:11,995 What is the matter with you? 153 00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:14,085 Why would you say something like that? 154 00:09:14,154 --> 00:09:17,389 He just sat there at the table and just laughed. 155 00:09:17,457 --> 00:09:19,424 He absolutely enjoyed that moment. 156 00:09:21,128 --> 00:09:24,329 He enjoyed anything that would upset somebody. 157 00:09:25,265 --> 00:09:27,032 I would say most of David's happiness 158 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:29,901 came from making anybody miserable that he could. 159 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:32,137 And the older he got, and the more this stuff happened, 160 00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:34,406 the more serious I thought the problem was. 161 00:09:48,956 --> 00:09:51,423 If the other children had misbehaved, and they got 162 00:09:51,491 --> 00:09:53,458 punished, say take the television away, 163 00:09:53,526 --> 00:09:55,260 the phone away, phone privileges, 164 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:58,174 or they get grounded, it worked with them, 165 00:09:58,198 --> 00:09:59,898 but it did not work with David. 166 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:03,012 We sought the counseling from a pastor. 167 00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:05,236 He suggested that maybe a smack on the... 168 00:10:05,272 --> 00:10:07,005 On the butt would bring him around. 169 00:10:07,073 --> 00:10:09,074 And so he made a little paddle for him and said, 170 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:11,076 "This is particularly for David." 171 00:10:11,144 --> 00:10:13,211 But David, I don't think anything worked. 172 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,347 I don't even think spanking helped. 173 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:18,516 Of course I'm sure... I always keep it right here. 174 00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:20,185 And you really think it was David? 175 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,587 If I'd get extra money, 176 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:25,101 I would hide this money inside a sock. 177 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:26,958 Well, one day, I was gonna go shopping, 178 00:10:27,027 --> 00:10:28,326 and I go in, and no money there. 179 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:32,664 Everybody, get in here! 180 00:10:32,766 --> 00:10:34,866 When I found out the money was missing and I told. 181 00:10:34,901 --> 00:10:38,169 Del, he lined up his kids and asked where the money was. 182 00:10:38,238 --> 00:10:39,949 Does anybody want to tell me what 183 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:42,173 happened to the money in Debbie's drawer? 184 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:45,043 No? 185 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:48,046 - No one? - And they all said no. 186 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:49,981 They didn't know anything about it. 187 00:10:50,050 --> 00:10:53,930 And then finally, somebody broken, and it was David, 188 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:55,520 said he... he took it. 189 00:10:56,423 --> 00:10:58,590 I think you and I both know who it was. 190 00:11:02,396 --> 00:11:05,130 Yeah, it was me. So what? 191 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:08,199 David got a beating that day. 192 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:14,072 It didn't even faze him. 193 00:11:15,208 --> 00:11:18,376 He was like, "Oh, well," you know, it didn't matter. 194 00:11:18,412 --> 00:11:21,046 He didn't cry, he didn't... He didn't do anything. 195 00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:23,548 It was like a defiant look in his face and just saying, 196 00:11:23,616 --> 00:11:26,451 "Go ahead and beat me. I'm not gonna react." 197 00:11:28,955 --> 00:11:30,221 And the more it went on, 198 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:33,658 the more intense it got, and the more intimidating it got. 199 00:11:36,763 --> 00:11:38,430 He just looks right through you. 200 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:41,132 It was shocking to me, because I never 201 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:43,268 saw anybody look at me that way before. 202 00:11:44,438 --> 00:11:46,337 Especially a child. 203 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:51,676 When David was disciplined, it just 204 00:11:51,778 --> 00:11:53,945 seemed like he just got more angry. 205 00:11:55,782 --> 00:11:59,350 David was really defiant towards Debbie. 206 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:05,090 I never did understand his level of defiance 207 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:07,325 towards the simplest things. 208 00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:10,395 It was intimidating, 209 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:14,232 but I didn't think of him as a violent person at that time. 210 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:17,001 That came later. 211 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:20,149 Later on, I realized he was a sociopath. 212 00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:22,340 I just never, never imagined it. 213 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:24,943 Now I'm getting emotional. I don't know why. 214 00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:35,420 I don't know. 215 00:12:37,157 --> 00:12:39,324 I guess he does terrify me. 216 00:12:45,332 --> 00:12:47,932 Okay, this picture, right after our wedding. 217 00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:51,114 Everybody else just smiling nice, 218 00:12:51,138 --> 00:12:52,715 but he has to make a face. 219 00:12:52,739 --> 00:12:54,239 That was the way David was. 220 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:57,186 If some stranger was looking at this picture, 221 00:12:57,210 --> 00:13:00,389 they'd just think that David was being a clown. 222 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:03,314 I see orneriness and his defiance. 223 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:06,017 Everybody told him to smile, and he didn't smile. 224 00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:10,221 I did not think at that point that he would be 225 00:13:10,257 --> 00:13:11,737 like he was, that he would be a killer 226 00:13:11,825 --> 00:13:13,992 or even that he would be as devious 227 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:17,362 and manipulative as he came to be. 228 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:21,966 But after the wedding, I noticed 229 00:13:22,002 --> 00:13:25,937 a shift in David's behavior, and especially towards me. 230 00:13:30,911 --> 00:13:32,677 After Del and I got married, 231 00:13:32,779 --> 00:13:37,582 David seemed to instigate arguments or fights between us. 232 00:13:40,887 --> 00:13:43,488 One day, it was winter, 233 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:46,736 and Del starts screaming at me, and I'm like, 234 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,305 what in the world are you upset about? 235 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,340 What the hell is wrong with you? 236 00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:52,463 What are you talking about? 237 00:13:52,532 --> 00:13:55,077 Why would you do that to him? He's just a child. 238 00:13:55,101 --> 00:13:57,135 And then he starts to tell me this story 239 00:13:57,203 --> 00:13:58,714 that David told him. 240 00:13:58,738 --> 00:14:01,706 He told his dad that I locked him out of the house 241 00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:03,208 in freezing weather with no coat 242 00:14:03,243 --> 00:14:06,322 and wouldn't let him in, and he was out there for like 243 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:08,157 three hours after school. 244 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:09,380 Well, that's not true. 245 00:14:09,449 --> 00:14:10,889 I don't know why he said that to you, 246 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:12,383 but he's lying, Del. 247 00:14:12,452 --> 00:14:14,519 Oh, so now my son's a liar, huh? 248 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:16,254 I had no idea what he's talking about. 249 00:14:16,322 --> 00:14:18,067 No idea. I said there was no way 250 00:14:18,091 --> 00:14:20,269 that I locked him out of the house. 251 00:14:20,293 --> 00:14:22,927 Del was angry with me because he believed David. 252 00:14:22,996 --> 00:14:25,096 He almost always believed David. 253 00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:27,999 He actually got physical with me. 254 00:14:28,067 --> 00:14:29,512 It's freezing out there, Deborah! 255 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:31,047 How dare you? 256 00:14:31,071 --> 00:14:33,238 When Del would lose his temper with me, 257 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:38,543 he would have pull my hair or grab me or shove me up 258 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:39,677 against the wall and just, 259 00:14:39,779 --> 00:14:42,280 you know, yell in my face. 260 00:14:42,348 --> 00:14:44,126 You know, you've had it for him since the second you 261 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:45,261 - got here. - That is not true! 262 00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:46,495 Del, let go of me! 263 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,465 Then why did I find him outside, shivering in the cold? 264 00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:51,122 I don't know, Del, but I'm telling you, 265 00:14:51,157 --> 00:14:52,690 I would never do that. 266 00:14:52,926 --> 00:14:55,360 And David was just sitting there, grinning. 267 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:58,129 He wanted me gone. 268 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:02,667 Because I was the intruder. I was the threat. 269 00:15:11,311 --> 00:15:15,046 He loved the chaos between my dad and Debbie. 270 00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:18,383 He just seemed to thrive on it. 271 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:22,253 He wanted to hear them fighting. 272 00:15:22,322 --> 00:15:24,200 And so I just asked him, I said, "Why are you doing 273 00:15:24,224 --> 00:15:25,657 all this? 274 00:15:25,725 --> 00:15:30,328 And his response was, "I do it because I can do it." 275 00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:34,310 Why would you tell dad she did that? 276 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:37,502 Because I hate her, and I want her gone. 277 00:15:40,206 --> 00:15:41,450 "I want mother back. 278 00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:44,720 "I don't like this bitch, Debbie. 279 00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:46,322 I'm getting her out of here." 280 00:15:46,346 --> 00:15:49,892 He was going to make sure, one way or another, 281 00:15:49,916 --> 00:15:51,683 that they weren't gonna stay married. 282 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,054 I felt vulnerable every day 283 00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:57,956 that David was in my home. 284 00:15:58,024 --> 00:16:00,191 I would worry about what is he gonna do next? 285 00:16:00,259 --> 00:16:02,438 You know, what is the next story gonna be? 286 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:03,962 You know, and is Del believe me, 287 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:06,898 or is he gonna believe him? 288 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:10,935 But I wasn't giving up. I was not giving up. 289 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:22,725 He manipulated his father into fighting 290 00:16:22,749 --> 00:16:24,515 with me every chance he got. 291 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,954 One day, I had just gotten home from work, 292 00:16:30,023 --> 00:16:32,824 and the next thing I hear, Del's yelling at me. 293 00:16:32,859 --> 00:16:35,860 - Deb? Deb, is that you? - Yeah, Del, I'm home. 294 00:16:35,928 --> 00:16:38,229 I said, "What is your problem?" 295 00:16:38,297 --> 00:16:39,709 And he said, "How dare you?" 296 00:16:39,733 --> 00:16:41,666 And I said, "What are you talking about?" 297 00:16:41,768 --> 00:16:44,513 And he says, "You kicked David down the basement stairs, 298 00:16:44,537 --> 00:16:46,182 "and then you went down and kicked him in the gut 299 00:16:46,206 --> 00:16:48,206 and his back while he was on the ground." 300 00:16:48,274 --> 00:16:50,174 David told me what you did to him. 301 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:55,079 I'm like, unbelievable! 302 00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:58,316 I realized David was lying to him immediately. 303 00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,485 And I told him that. He's lying to you again. 304 00:17:00,553 --> 00:17:01,419 Not this again. 305 00:17:01,554 --> 00:17:03,733 You don't really believe him, do you? 306 00:17:03,757 --> 00:17:05,456 Then how do you explain this? 307 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:12,563 He says, "Well, how come he's got a bruise?" 308 00:17:12,632 --> 00:17:14,399 And I said, "I have no clue. 309 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:16,834 But I did not touch him." 310 00:17:16,903 --> 00:17:19,103 He could have fallen, hit himself, you know, 311 00:17:19,172 --> 00:17:21,039 fell down on the playground. Who knows? 312 00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:23,474 Or maybe he did this to himself. 313 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:25,209 Did you ever think about that? 314 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:27,023 Del blamed it all on me. 315 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:29,247 And, of course, I got slapped around that day. 316 00:17:29,315 --> 00:17:30,581 Del! 317 00:17:32,652 --> 00:17:34,252 You never should have touched him! 318 00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:39,490 David enjoyed the fact that his dad physically abused me. 319 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,305 This was about the time that I told Del, there's... 320 00:17:43,329 --> 00:17:45,307 There's something seriously wrong with him, and he's gonna 321 00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:47,031 end up killing somebody someday. 322 00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:50,868 Del was a very, very good detective. 323 00:17:50,937 --> 00:17:53,104 He was 24 years on the police department. 324 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,407 He could see through other people and the criminals, 325 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:58,476 but he could not, for anything, 326 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:01,345 see... even see clearly, his own son. 327 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:17,395 One day, out of the blue, David's mother called Del 328 00:18:17,463 --> 00:18:22,066 and asked if David could come live with her. 329 00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:23,379 It was one of the happiest days of 330 00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:25,937 my life, and I know that sounds horrible, 331 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:29,707 but it was just, like, the hugest relief off my shoulders. 332 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:32,243 Del told me what was going on with David. 333 00:18:32,311 --> 00:18:34,723 But other than that, I did not keep in touch with David. 334 00:18:34,747 --> 00:18:36,125 He was gone. That's all I cared about. 335 00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:37,682 He was gone. 336 00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:54,132 We were both in our early 20s when we reconnected. 337 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:59,871 I moved out to Pennsylvania in the late '80s, and the first 338 00:18:59,939 --> 00:19:02,907 person I called was David. 339 00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:07,245 For a while, when he moved with my mom, he was doing well. 340 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,291 He was in construction. 341 00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:11,060 He did roofing. 342 00:19:11,084 --> 00:19:13,484 He built, um, he built decks. 343 00:19:13,553 --> 00:19:18,022 I thought at the time he could absolutely get it together. 344 00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:25,563 But there was an occasion back in, uh, 1991 345 00:19:25,631 --> 00:19:28,344 where my mother and I were in the kitchen, 346 00:19:28,368 --> 00:19:29,700 we got a phone call. 347 00:19:34,974 --> 00:19:36,307 Hello? 348 00:19:36,375 --> 00:19:41,379 It was the police, looking for my stepfather. 349 00:19:42,448 --> 00:19:45,416 It's the police. Get on the other phone. 350 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:49,865 They wanted to know if he owned this 351 00:19:49,889 --> 00:19:53,424 particular firearm, and he proceeded to tell us, 352 00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:56,994 yeah, David had a loaded gun. 353 00:19:57,063 --> 00:19:58,663 He did what? 354 00:19:58,798 --> 00:20:02,333 He got into a disagreement with somebody, 355 00:20:03,269 --> 00:20:07,917 and he went and took one of my stepfather's guns 356 00:20:07,941 --> 00:20:10,174 and threatened the guy 357 00:20:10,243 --> 00:20:12,254 and was arrested. 358 00:20:12,278 --> 00:20:14,223 No, that's... that's impossible. 359 00:20:14,247 --> 00:20:15,724 He knows better than that. 360 00:20:15,748 --> 00:20:18,316 When I heard that David had done all this, 361 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:22,364 my first thought was, "Are you out of your freaking mind?" 362 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:28,003 To take a loaded firearm and go after somebody? 363 00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:32,096 That, to me, is... Is just insane. 364 00:20:34,601 --> 00:20:38,102 My father, being a police officer, raised us 365 00:20:39,138 --> 00:20:40,571 to use guns properly. 366 00:20:42,141 --> 00:20:44,709 It was a huge red flag for me. 367 00:20:44,877 --> 00:20:47,912 But I didn't look at it as, you know, 368 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:50,381 any kind of pattern of behavior developing. 369 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:54,129 I just thought, here's my idiot brother 370 00:20:54,153 --> 00:20:55,686 doing something stupid. 371 00:20:57,490 --> 00:21:01,692 He spent a couple of months in jail over that incident. 372 00:21:03,896 --> 00:21:06,742 I had hoped that David spending some time in 373 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:08,377 jail would... 374 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:11,602 Would put him back on the right path. 375 00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:14,350 It did not turn out that way. 376 00:21:14,374 --> 00:21:17,275 No, his life ended up a lot worse. 377 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:29,064 This is a picture of my brother, 378 00:21:29,088 --> 00:21:31,956 myself, and Debbie's son. 379 00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:33,324 It's an open house at 380 00:21:33,392 --> 00:21:35,938 the police department where my father worked. 381 00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:41,065 It was taken when David was probably 13. 382 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:44,702 I never really looked at it a lot 383 00:21:44,804 --> 00:21:48,406 until he was sentenced. 384 00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:53,344 When I look at this, I see a happy kid. 385 00:21:53,412 --> 00:21:57,815 I don't see somebody who would eventually kill. 386 00:21:57,850 --> 00:22:02,086 It's kind of ironic now, because here 387 00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:06,357 he is in a jail cell, make believe. 388 00:22:06,392 --> 00:22:08,859 Dad would say, "If you don't behave, 389 00:22:08,928 --> 00:22:11,062 this is where you'll end up." 390 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:15,599 But David didn't behave, and that's where he ended up. 391 00:22:16,803 --> 00:22:18,602 This is his life for real. 392 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,218 He's in the front of this picture smiling, 393 00:22:23,242 --> 00:22:27,511 but I don't think he's got that expression any longer. 394 00:22:40,126 --> 00:22:43,094 After the gun incident, he had nowhere else to go, 395 00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:44,962 so he ends up at my place. 396 00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:49,900 He didn't go to work. He didn't look for a job. 397 00:22:49,969 --> 00:22:52,803 He mooched money off my dad. 398 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,184 Ever think about finding a job, man? 399 00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:59,310 Don't need to... Dad just sent me some money. 400 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:02,491 And David expressed this view to me 401 00:23:02,515 --> 00:23:06,450 of wanting my father's belongings. 402 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,619 Once he's gone, I'll get what I'm owed. 403 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:11,054 On numerous occasions 404 00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:15,104 over the years, he would say to me, "When dad dies, 405 00:23:15,128 --> 00:23:18,462 I want this firearm and this." 406 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:22,099 "I feel dad owes me a fishing boat. 407 00:23:22,168 --> 00:23:26,170 "Dad owes me hunting gear, because he allowed Debbie to 408 00:23:26,205 --> 00:23:28,172 "come in, and he allowed her 409 00:23:28,207 --> 00:23:30,841 to make all these changes in our lives." 410 00:23:30,877 --> 00:23:32,576 He won't be around forever. 411 00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:39,016 And I would kind of be like, what do you mean when he dies? 412 00:23:40,386 --> 00:23:43,954 "Well, you know, everybody's gotta go sometime." 413 00:23:44,023 --> 00:23:46,056 And it just would make me wonder, like, 414 00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:48,993 why would you even talk about that, you know? 415 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:52,096 Who sits there and says... And thinks about 416 00:23:52,164 --> 00:23:53,842 when their parents are gonna be dead 417 00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:56,100 and what they're gonna gain from it. 418 00:23:57,270 --> 00:24:00,504 He doesn't get the concept of family. 419 00:24:02,008 --> 00:24:05,109 He schemed. He plotted. 420 00:24:05,177 --> 00:24:08,724 He looked around and saw what my dad had 421 00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:11,615 and thought, "This should all be mine. 422 00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:14,285 How do I get it?" 423 00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:32,714 As David got older, he hated me more. 424 00:24:32,738 --> 00:24:34,672 Del and I got divorced. 425 00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:38,887 I stayed at the house, and after the divorce, 426 00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:42,591 I hoped I never had to deal with David again. 427 00:24:42,615 --> 00:24:44,815 But he started calling me in the middle of the night, 428 00:24:44,884 --> 00:24:45,950 threatening me. 429 00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:54,391 A couple of years after Del and I divorced, 430 00:24:54,427 --> 00:24:57,094 I was woken in the middle of the night by the phone call. 431 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,466 Hello? 432 00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:05,414 The voice I heard on the other end was David's, and he said to 433 00:25:05,438 --> 00:25:08,405 me that he was going to slit my horse's throat and then 434 00:25:08,441 --> 00:25:09,707 come for me next. 435 00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:12,376 David, is that you? 436 00:25:12,444 --> 00:25:13,911 When I first heard it, I thought, 437 00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:16,680 did I hear that right? 438 00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:19,884 There was no real emotion to his voice. 439 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,486 It was just the same monotone voice that 440 00:25:22,555 --> 00:25:25,756 he always used, and the words were frightening. 441 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,692 So I hung up. 442 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:31,695 Now mind you, I'm out in the country, 443 00:25:31,831 --> 00:25:35,666 20 minutes out of town, living by myself, and there's not 444 00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:38,013 a house close to me... Terrified, 445 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:43,340 I got up, I got my gun, and, uh, the phone rang again. 446 00:25:45,044 --> 00:25:46,254 This time, he didn't threaten me. 447 00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:48,423 He just made funny noises. 448 00:25:48,447 --> 00:25:52,349 Don't call here again, David. This isn't funny. 449 00:25:54,754 --> 00:25:56,320 I didn't know where he was calling from. 450 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:59,156 He could have been calling me from down the street. 451 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:02,426 The heart starts pounding. You know, you're nervous. 452 00:26:04,297 --> 00:26:07,698 Actually, I got up and started pacing and looking out windows, 453 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:10,701 you know, making sure all the doors are locked. 454 00:26:14,306 --> 00:26:16,106 He must have called 15 times that night. 455 00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:23,347 I called the Sheriff's department, 456 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,382 and they said, "We can't do anything." 457 00:26:25,451 --> 00:26:28,185 I did not sleep for a few nights. 458 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,220 I was here all alone, 459 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:32,089 and it was... it was very scary. 460 00:26:33,526 --> 00:26:35,659 I didn't know what he was capable of at that point. 461 00:26:45,871 --> 00:26:50,708 David was arrested for burglary charges. 462 00:26:50,809 --> 00:26:52,676 He was breaking into homes in the middle of 463 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:55,379 the night and stealing whatever he could get 464 00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:56,914 his hands on. 465 00:26:56,949 --> 00:27:02,019 He was sentenced to state prison for 6 and 1/2 to 33 years. 466 00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:05,567 It's sad, but I also looked at it like 467 00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:08,892 maybe this is exactly what he needs to get his 468 00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:10,060 stuff together. 469 00:27:11,163 --> 00:27:14,164 I was told by Thom that he was charged 470 00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:17,346 and convicted on 13 burglaries and 13 receiving 471 00:27:17,370 --> 00:27:19,103 stolen property. 472 00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:21,372 I felt very relieved that he was in jail 473 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,240 and not... not going to bother me. 474 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:26,377 I really enjoyed the fact when he's incarcerated, 475 00:27:26,445 --> 00:27:27,989 'cause I know he's not gonna come after me. 476 00:27:28,013 --> 00:27:29,191 He's not gonna call me. 477 00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:31,682 He's not gonna drive by my house or anything like that. 478 00:27:40,393 --> 00:27:44,139 He was paroled after 6 and 1/2 years, 479 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,497 and he went to live with my father. 480 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:52,069 Instead of allowing him to go to a halfway house, 481 00:27:52,137 --> 00:27:54,538 my dad stepped in and said, "No, 482 00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:57,241 come home to dad. I'm gonna take care of you." 483 00:27:58,878 --> 00:28:01,223 When I heard that David was out on parole, 484 00:28:01,247 --> 00:28:03,859 and he was living in Del's house, that I was 485 00:28:03,883 --> 00:28:05,816 apprehensive about. 486 00:28:05,884 --> 00:28:08,952 Uh, that meant he was close by. 487 00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:12,690 I think Del's house is maybe half an hour from mine, 488 00:28:12,758 --> 00:28:14,191 40 minutes at the most. 489 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:18,696 I was worried about the fact I know Del's got guns. 490 00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:21,031 I know he's got tons of ammo, 491 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,167 and, you know, there's David. 492 00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,438 I was afraid he was going to carry out his threats. 493 00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:41,285 After we were divorced, Del remarried. 494 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:48,158 It was on Sunday, the 14th of January of 2018. 495 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:50,541 It was about, I don't know, 10, 11 o'clock in the morning. 496 00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:58,035 I received a text from the 3rd wife, 497 00:28:58,103 --> 00:29:00,882 and all the text said was, "He's gone," 498 00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:04,675 with an exclamation point, and I got the worst feeling. 499 00:29:11,817 --> 00:29:13,117 The message said, "He's gone!" 500 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,499 And I wrote back, "What?" She sent another one. 501 00:29:17,523 --> 00:29:19,123 She said, "Del is dead." 502 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:23,527 He was found dead in bed. He wouldn't wake up. 503 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:27,297 I said, "Who found him?" 504 00:29:28,734 --> 00:29:29,867 And she said, "David." 505 00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:38,342 I was told that David called 911. 506 00:29:54,393 --> 00:29:56,226 Del was actually taken to a funeral home. 507 00:29:56,262 --> 00:29:58,140 They thought it was natural causes. 508 00:29:58,164 --> 00:29:59,764 Everybody thought it was a natural death. 509 00:30:04,737 --> 00:30:07,237 I just wrote back, "David did it. 510 00:30:07,306 --> 00:30:08,517 "I don't care what anybody says. 511 00:30:08,541 --> 00:30:09,840 David killed him." 512 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,186 And she says, "How do you know that?" 513 00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:13,744 I said, "Because I know David. He killed him." 514 00:30:24,089 --> 00:30:25,956 This whole thing was a ruse. 515 00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:27,536 "Poor me, come help me. 516 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,326 "Poor me, my dad's dead. 517 00:30:29,361 --> 00:30:31,295 Poor me, I had to find my dad." 518 00:30:45,444 --> 00:30:47,422 What a joke he is. 519 00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:49,379 I mean, it's pathetic, the way he tried 520 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:51,493 to sound like he was sympathetic. 521 00:30:51,517 --> 00:30:54,184 But you notice the one thing that caught my eye, 522 00:30:54,253 --> 00:30:56,253 "How old is your dad?" 523 00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:59,234 He was 71... in his mind, 524 00:30:59,258 --> 00:31:01,491 he's gone, let's get him out of here. 525 00:31:03,562 --> 00:31:07,164 That's the way I hear it when I hear that... that phone call. 526 00:31:16,575 --> 00:31:18,275 It was a Sunday morning. 527 00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:20,177 This is how I found out my dad died. 528 00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:21,389 Hello? 529 00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:24,860 She said, "Well, I just wanted to check up on you." 530 00:31:24,884 --> 00:31:26,683 It made me raise an eyebrow, 531 00:31:26,752 --> 00:31:28,330 and I said, "What's going on?" 532 00:31:28,354 --> 00:31:31,132 She said, "You didn't hear?" And I said, "Hear what?" 533 00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:33,323 What are you talking about? 534 00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:37,027 And she said, "Your dad was found dead this morning." 535 00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:42,410 His cause of death, as far as I knew, 536 00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:46,169 was, um, he died in his sleep of a heart attack. 537 00:31:48,874 --> 00:31:51,887 I was devastated. I just started crying. 538 00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:55,712 But I really didn't have 539 00:31:55,814 --> 00:31:59,194 any reason to suspect 540 00:31:59,218 --> 00:32:01,585 that it was anything other than natural causes. 541 00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:32,516 It's my first time hearing it. 542 00:32:33,552 --> 00:32:35,363 That doesn't sound right at all. 543 00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:37,054 He doesn't sound panicked. 544 00:32:37,089 --> 00:32:39,656 He doesn't sound like... there doesn't sound like there's 545 00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:40,891 any sense of urgency 546 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,226 or anything like that in his voice. 547 00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:46,029 Sounds staged. That's what it sounds like. 548 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,933 He could be describing 549 00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:53,170 a bad meal is what it sounds like, 550 00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:56,506 rather than being... Being somebody 551 00:32:56,575 --> 00:33:00,978 who's just found their father deceased. 552 00:33:01,046 --> 00:33:02,412 Yeah, I don't buy it at all. 553 00:33:12,791 --> 00:33:15,659 When I called David, 554 00:33:17,096 --> 00:33:19,963 and I said, "Hey, it's Thom, how are you? 555 00:33:20,032 --> 00:33:21,076 How are you holding up?" 556 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:24,034 Hey, just checking in. 557 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,972 And his words to me, and I... And I quote, were, 558 00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:31,119 "I suppose you're calling to see how much money 559 00:33:31,143 --> 00:33:32,409 you're getting." 560 00:33:33,746 --> 00:33:35,323 And I said, "No. 561 00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:38,582 I'm calling to see what the hell happened to our father." 562 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,398 And he said, "Well, I don't know what happened to him. 563 00:33:43,422 --> 00:33:44,499 "I went, and I tried to wake him up. 564 00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:46,590 "He wouldn't wake up. 565 00:33:46,625 --> 00:33:50,627 "But anyway, back to the money, the will is 566 00:33:51,797 --> 00:33:53,341 "in my name. 567 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:57,367 I'm the executor, and it is non-contestable." 568 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,138 I was thrown to the floor by that. 569 00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:05,976 David, I don't care about the will. 570 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,945 Why would you come right out and say that to me? 571 00:34:09,948 --> 00:34:12,015 Very first thing. 572 00:34:12,084 --> 00:34:15,385 So that there raised some suspicions. 573 00:34:15,454 --> 00:34:18,655 I know something's not... Something's not right. 574 00:34:26,932 --> 00:34:31,346 The will stated for everything that he owned to go to David. 575 00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:33,503 His beloved son, David. 576 00:34:34,973 --> 00:34:37,252 Never heard Del say that about David. 577 00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:38,975 He may have favored him in some areas, 578 00:34:39,044 --> 00:34:40,388 but never "beloved." 579 00:34:40,412 --> 00:34:42,991 The other kids weren't even mentioned. 580 00:34:43,015 --> 00:34:45,115 He would never leave everything to David, 581 00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:47,684 because I know how he felt about the other kids. 582 00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:48,851 And I know he had a will 583 00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:51,421 before that, because I had it made with me. 584 00:34:51,490 --> 00:34:53,023 So I can understand him getting 585 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:54,302 a new will after we got divorced, 586 00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:56,071 but this will was just made a few months 587 00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:57,238 before he passed away. 588 00:34:57,262 --> 00:34:59,362 Alarm bells went off. 589 00:34:59,431 --> 00:35:02,577 I just don't imagine any way that Delbert would have signed 590 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,969 this new will without somebody forcing him to do it. 591 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,240 Well, the next thing I know, I have a detective on 592 00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:11,441 my doorstep. 593 00:35:15,914 --> 00:35:18,915 The detective that came to visit me said, 594 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:20,995 "I understand you think David did it, and we do, too." 595 00:35:21,019 --> 00:35:22,730 What we do know for certain is that. 596 00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:25,733 Delbert's death was not from natural causes. 597 00:35:25,757 --> 00:35:28,692 David apparently had told 598 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,461 the funeral home to cremate the body. 599 00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:34,231 And then when the mortician goes to prepare the body says, 600 00:35:34,299 --> 00:35:37,879 "Wait a minute. This is not a natural death. 601 00:35:37,903 --> 00:35:39,202 This man's been beaten." 602 00:35:39,271 --> 00:35:41,104 According to our ME's report, 603 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,174 it was a very violent death. 604 00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:48,211 And that's when he called the coroner. 605 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,514 The coroner came and said, "It's a homicide." 606 00:35:50,582 --> 00:35:53,250 Then the police got involved. 607 00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:11,935 They said he suffered greatly. 608 00:36:13,305 --> 00:36:16,039 No less than six strikes to the face. 609 00:36:17,276 --> 00:36:20,054 Two strikes to the back of his head. 610 00:36:20,078 --> 00:36:22,457 He had six broken ribs. 611 00:36:22,481 --> 00:36:24,347 He had a fractured sternum. 612 00:36:33,325 --> 00:36:35,403 After he beat him, 613 00:36:35,427 --> 00:36:39,696 he put him on this couch, and then he waited until he died, 614 00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:42,032 which was hours, I guess. 615 00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:02,730 When he was finally dead, he went to the ATM 616 00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:04,032 and took $500 out of 617 00:37:04,056 --> 00:37:06,823 his dad's account and then called the EMTs. 618 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:20,837 It was like somebody hit me with a brick. 619 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:23,106 I told the detective that came to 620 00:37:23,174 --> 00:37:26,576 visit me that... please find justice for Del. 621 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:32,026 I received a copy of my father's death certificate in 622 00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:33,795 the mail. 623 00:37:33,819 --> 00:37:37,899 After reading that, I felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, 624 00:37:37,923 --> 00:37:43,059 and then at the very bottom, it says cause of death, 625 00:37:43,128 --> 00:37:45,695 and I can... homicide. 626 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,512 And I... I lost it. 627 00:37:51,536 --> 00:37:53,703 David was the only one there. 628 00:37:54,873 --> 00:37:56,351 The only one. 629 00:37:56,375 --> 00:38:00,410 That little son of bitch killed my dad. 630 00:38:11,056 --> 00:38:13,023 I confronted him over the phone. 631 00:38:13,091 --> 00:38:16,593 When I asked him point blank, "What did you do to our father?" 632 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:21,665 He told me to shut the F up and never bring it up again. 633 00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:32,909 I was greeted with a responsive, 634 00:38:32,944 --> 00:38:37,325 "Don't you ever effing talk to me about that again. 635 00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:40,850 "That is a forbidden subject. 636 00:38:40,919 --> 00:38:44,154 Don't you ever call or talk to me again." 637 00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:49,426 Now, an innocent man says, "I didn't do anything to my dad. 638 00:38:50,429 --> 00:38:52,529 I don't know what happened to dad, Thom." 639 00:38:53,765 --> 00:38:58,134 A guilty man says, "Don't you ever bring that up again." 640 00:38:58,203 --> 00:38:59,669 Then I knew he did it. 641 00:38:59,738 --> 00:39:03,006 It was clear as day. 642 00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,075 The little son of a bitch killed my dad. 643 00:39:23,962 --> 00:39:26,096 I wanted him to feel what my father felt. 644 00:39:26,164 --> 00:39:32,068 Yeah, I wanted him to know what it was like. 645 00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:34,182 I want to find him, and I want 646 00:39:34,206 --> 00:39:35,839 to just choke the life out of him. 647 00:39:47,152 --> 00:39:50,520 I had my keys, and I wanted to get out of the apartment, 648 00:39:51,456 --> 00:39:55,570 and my girlfriend said, "No, because if you do something 649 00:39:55,594 --> 00:39:58,061 "to him, you're no better than him. 650 00:39:58,129 --> 00:39:59,429 Let the courts handle it." 651 00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:03,666 And that's all I could do. 652 00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:25,967 This is David's mug shot from prison. 653 00:40:25,991 --> 00:40:29,025 This is after he was convicted and sentenced. 654 00:40:30,362 --> 00:40:33,363 When I look at this photo, I see the evil in his eyes. 655 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,377 This picture reminds me of his stare 656 00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:38,435 that he stares at me mostly. 657 00:40:38,503 --> 00:40:40,837 This time he's not smirking, because he's on his way 658 00:40:40,905 --> 00:40:42,350 to prison. 659 00:40:42,374 --> 00:40:45,186 I don't ever want to see him look at me again, 660 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:47,510 and I don't ever want to see him again. 661 00:40:49,981 --> 00:40:54,918 This is a guy that I'm ashamed to say I'm related to. 662 00:40:54,986 --> 00:40:56,886 I see a guy 663 00:40:56,922 --> 00:41:00,401 who was sorry that he got caught, 664 00:41:00,425 --> 00:41:03,860 and I think he's angry at that. 665 00:41:03,928 --> 00:41:06,396 I don't think he's angry about killing my dad. 666 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,242 I think he's angry that he's gonna have to 667 00:41:08,266 --> 00:41:11,000 spend the rest of his life in a jail cell. 668 00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:14,471 He still calls 669 00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:19,854 what happened to my dad an awful, tragic accident. 670 00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:23,012 This guy beat my father to death. 671 00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:25,715 That's the cold, awful reality. 672 00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:33,901 The amount of time he received for 673 00:41:33,925 --> 00:41:37,961 this crime doesn't sit well with me. 674 00:41:38,029 --> 00:41:39,896 The sentence that I thought would have been 675 00:41:39,964 --> 00:41:43,933 appropriate for him would have been life in prison. 676 00:41:46,037 --> 00:41:49,984 If David ever got out of prison, I... 677 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,742 I think Debbie should have her head on a swivel. 678 00:41:53,778 --> 00:41:55,378 When it comes to Debbie, 679 00:41:55,446 --> 00:42:00,049 I don't think David has ever forgiven her for 680 00:42:00,084 --> 00:42:04,354 anything that he perceives was done wrong to him. 681 00:42:06,925 --> 00:42:09,259 I will always be scared of David as long as he's alive. 682 00:42:09,327 --> 00:42:11,739 I don't know why he's got it out for me. 683 00:42:11,763 --> 00:42:14,564 The only thing I can think of is because I tried to bring 684 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,000 structure and discipline to his life, and he's never 685 00:42:17,068 --> 00:42:18,201 forgiven me for that. 686 00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:22,483 You know, I said David would be a killer, 687 00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:24,440 but I never dreamed it would be his dad.